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  1. Deon

    Deon Well-Known Member

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    Hi all,

    this should be a fairly easy one but form me I'm still not 100% convinced that I truly know the difference between a Natalensis and Altensteinii.

    I have seen a lot of variant with spines to no spines , long petioles but are Natalensis :confused:
    Normally I look for boat shaped leaflets , thickened margins on leaflets , and just before a flush dense wool at the crown and leaflet broader than alti .

    what makes me more confused are they even differ more when planted in full sun / semi shade to full shade.
    and when pollinated with one Natalensis variant with another Natalensisat variant :confused: and same goes with Altensteinii.

    any pointers as to help me convincing myself would be appreciated ....
     
  2. Craig

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    Do you have an pictures of the plants in question?

    As far as I'm aware, the leaflets towards the base of the leaf on natalensis are reduced to prickles, where an altensteinii doesn't do this.
     
  3. Kurt Elsker

    Kurt Elsker Active Member

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    Yes, no spines/prickles at the base of the petiole, and also no wool for E. altensteinii :-)
     
  4. Deon

    Deon Well-Known Member

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    I've been struggling to get descent quality photos , gets dark very early now.
     
  5. Kurt Elsker

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    Should be getting lighter each day now as we're past the solstice ;-)
     
  6. Deon

    Deon Well-Known Member

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    20160713_172602_resized.jpg

    I bought this as a Altensteinii , this one reduce to a single prickle so does this mean this are a Natalensis?
    can someone take some pics of their plants to show me the difference ???
     
  7. Craig

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    That's an Altensteinii. On a Natalensis the leaflets reduce to prickles, so they get smaller and smaller.
     
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    Kurt Elsker Active Member

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    Agree with Craig 100%
     
  9. Deon

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    thanks guys..:blush:
     
  10. Charles Fevrier

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    Hi Deon herewith a photo of and E. altensteinii flushing. Note the complete absence of wool Flush Feb 2016.jpg
     
  11. Deon

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    Hi Charles ,

    thanks for the photo.. I see the absent of wool and the long petioles....

    I know this should be fairly easy but I have seen so much variants that I'm confused from time to time.:blush:

    nice big plant you have.....
     
  12. Paul

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    HI I was told that this is a Nat not a Altensteini are they right?
     

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    Charles Fevrier Well-Known Member

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    Paul I think that is an Altensteinii in your photo. These green plants can be very confusing at best. :blush:
     
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    Thx Charles you are correct in saying that it is confusing. Lol.
     
  15. Craig

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    Agree with Charles. Natalensis leaves turn into spines and continue towards the base of the leaf.
     
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    Thx guys I think this is the Natalensis.
     

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  17. Charles Fevrier

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    Correct Paul. Natalensis
     

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